Who won the elelction?

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Who won the election?

Postby thatmfguy » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:16 pm

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Re: Who won the election?

Postby PapaFox » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:20 am

The American people won. Get over it. :chair:
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:29 am

PapaFox wrote:The American people won. Get over it. :chair:

Get over that one of the two bank and Wall St owned candidates won? yeah...you're not a hypocrite or anything.
And yeah, I'd say the EXACT same thing if Robamney won.

The American people didn't win anything, lobbyists did...but unlike you, I don't accept that as "only bad when the other guys do it".

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Re: Who won the election?

Postby PapaFox » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:34 pm

thatmfguy wrote:
PapaFox wrote:The American people won. Get over it. :chair:

Get over that one of the two bank and Wall St owned candidates won? yeah...you're not a hypocrite or anything.
And yeah, I'd say the EXACT same thing if Robamney won.

The American people didn't win anything, lobbyists did...but unlike you, I don't accept that as "only bad when the other guys do it".

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Logic fail. :rofl:
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:08 pm

PapaFox wrote:
thatmfguy wrote:
PapaFox wrote:The American people won. Get over it. :chair:

Get over that one of the two bank and Wall St owned candidates won? yeah...you're not a hypocrite or anything.
And yeah, I'd say the EXACT same thing if Robamney won.

The American people didn't win anything, lobbyists did...but unlike you, I don't accept that as "only bad when the other guys do it".

:owned:


Logic fail. :rofl:


Logic fail...now THERE's an astute argument against what I said.

What have you said about Obama's drome bombings, the NDAA, extended Patriot Act lately? Nothing, not even a weak whimper I'm sure. Of course, I am sure you were quite vocal when it all happened under Dubya.

As I said, sir...YOU are a hypocrite. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby terroraustralis » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:10 pm

the american people LOST.

thats why they're living under a governemnt that can spy on them and assasinate anyone the president wants to, without any grounds for impeachment.

facism is the price of ignorance.
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DONT LIKE THE PRICE OF FREEDOM? GET THE F*** OUT OF AMERICA, PROBLEM SOLVED!
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:14 pm

terroraustralis wrote:the american people LOST.

thats why they're living under a governemnt that can spy on them and assasinate anyone the president wants to, without any grounds for impeachment.

facism is the price of ignorance.

We have a winner!!!!!!!
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:38 pm

terroraustralis wrote:the american people LOST.

thats why they're living under a governemnt that can spy on them and assasinate anyone the president wants to, without any grounds for impeachment.

facism is the price of ignorance.



Thought you might enjoy this one, mate. Out for some beers now...have a great weekend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZs3jNgTjxM
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby arnnatz » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:58 am

d*** Morris actually got something right concerning the election (of course it was post-election):

The Campaign Made No Difference
d*** Morris

The months and months of campaigning, the hundreds of millions of TV advertising, the incessant travel schedules of the candidates, and the vigorous efforts of both sides to get their vote out made little or no difference in the outcome of the Election of 2012.

To begin with, only two states — North Carolina and Indiana — changed sides. And the change in Obama’s vote share from ’08 to ’12 was pretty much the same whether it was in a swing state or not. The obsessive campaigning in swing states did not seem to have much effect.

This election was notable because of the massive concentration of advertising in eight “swing” states — Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Ohio, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Nevada, and Iowa. Well over 80 percent of the television advertising at the presidential level was directed at these key states. The candidates visited them over and over, cycling back around every few days. Except for fund raisers, incidental travel, or return trips to their headquarters in Boston and Chicago, Obama and Romney rarely set foot outside these swing states.

And it didn’t work.

In these eight swing states, all of which Obama carried in 2008, his vote share dropped by 2.1 percent from ’08 to ’12. In the twenty-one other non-swing states Obama carried — where neither candidate did much campaigning — his vote share drop was almost the same: 2.4 percent.

Among states McCain carried in 2008 (plus Indiana), the drop in Obama’s vote share was more significant: 3.2 percent.

Nor would it have made a difference if Obama’s vote share fell in the swing states by the same 2.4 percent that it fell in the non-swing states that went for Obama (as opposed to the 2.1 percent decline that in fact happened in the swing states). The 0.3 percent change would not have moved a single state to Romney from Obama. Florida, the closest, went to Obama by 0.8 percent!

So if ads and candidate campaigning did not move the dial, what did? Events.

The debates, the conventions, the storm coverage, Benghazi, the state of the economy, jobs data and all other events that affected all fifty states mattered. But the paid media, the in-person campaigning in swing states, and the massive ground game deployed by both sides accomplished nothing. Obama lost all the votes he was going to lose anyway in the swing states and Romney gained of the votes he was going to gain anyway in the swing states. Otherwise, how can one account for the virtually identical change from ’08 to ’12 in all the states Obama carried, whether swing states or not?

Two implications flow from these data:

1. Television is losing its impact. Particularly in the presidential race, it is astonishing that the almost one billion dollars spent advertising in eight states did very little to move the vote share. Voters are not watching television as much these days and those that are still turning it on are fast forwarding through the ads. And negative campaign ads — in fact, all ads, — are losing their impact.

2. Demographic voting is the new norm in America. You vote based on who you are, not where you live or how well each campaign has articulated its case. 93% of blacks, 70% of Latinos, 60% of those under 30, and 62% of single people, voted for Obama. And white married couples over 30 years of age voted for Romney. Not much else matters. A president who was elected and re-elected through identity politics has brought about a state of affairs where demographic voting determines the outcome. Our votes are predictable based on our race, ethnicity, age, and marital status well before anybody does any campaigning.

Even the vaunted ground games of the two parties didn’t do much. Voter turnout was eleven million lower than in 2008 — reversing the upward trends of the past four elections — and Obama’s vote share change from ’08 to ’12 was about the same in states where vigorous get out the vote campaigns raged and in those where they did not.

It is bad enough that America is now divided into red and blue states. It is divided into red and blue people as well based, not on their opinions, but on their demographics.
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Re: Who won the election?

Postby terroraustralis » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:30 pm

thatmfguy wrote:
terroraustralis wrote:the american people LOST.

thats why they're living under a governemnt that can spy on them and assasinate anyone the president wants to, without any grounds for impeachment.

facism is the price of ignorance.



Thought you might enjoy this one, mate. Out for some beers now...have a great weekend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZs3jNgTjxM


in all my years, the one thing i have found to be unequivocaly true, is that ignorance and stupidity are the root cause of every single problem in society.

every single problem, can be traced back to one, or multiple stupid decisions, by people involved, either at the top or on the front line, and if a better decision was made there would be no problem.

if we eradicate the stupidity and ignorance, we eliminate the problem.

that is why i dont think sides matter in politics. moving support from one side to the other just causes the corruption and bribes to switch sides too.

what matters, is finding the sources of ignorance and dogmatism, reasoning with them, and if that fails, beating the ignorance out of them.

a rational, free thinking citizenry is the main pillar of democracy, without it, there is no democracy. and from what i have seen, the only path to a rational, free thinking citizenry, is through science. literacy in science is the only thing that can instil and properly explain the values neccesary to have a free thinking rational citizenry. the theories of science dont matter. whether you beleive in evolution or not, the validity of the evidence-based method of determining truth is unquestionable. that is why the courts use it. we just need to get the people to use it too.
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DONT LIKE THE PRICE OF FREEDOM? GET THE F*** OUT OF AMERICA, PROBLEM SOLVED!
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